Craigslist status: access issues and outage reports

Problems in the last 24 hours

The graph below depicts the number of Craigslist reports received over the last 24 hours by time of day. When the number of reports exceeds the baseline, represented by the red line, an outage is determined.

Most Reported Problems

The following are the most recent problems reported by Craigslist users through our website.

• Errors (63%)
• Website Down (25%)
• Sign in (13%)

Live Outage Map

The most recent Craigslist outage reports came from the following cities:

City	Problem Type	Report Time
Aurora	Sign in	29 days ago
Oklahoma City	Website Down	1 month ago
Columbus	Errors	1 month ago
Juneau	Errors	2 months ago
Juneau	Errors	2 months ago
Allentown	Website Down	2 months ago

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Craigslist Issues Reports

Latest outage, problems and issue reports in social media:

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  Skeyromie 🐦 (@Skeyromie) reported 16 seconds ago

  Am I the Ahole for refusing to pay my parents rent, moving out, and going completely ghost on them? ​Used a different account to post because some of my extended family members follow my main, and frankly, I don’t need the extra drama right now. ​I 22 male recently graduated from college and managed to land a decent, entry-level job in my field. Because the housing market is an absolute nightmare, my parents offered to let me move back into my childhood bedroom "to help me save up for a down payment or a place of my own." I was incredibly grateful. I figured I'd be able to stack some serious cash, pay off some student loans, and be out of their hair in a year. ​Well, the "honeymoon phase" lasted exactly two weeks. ​On the third week, my dad sat me down at the kitchen table with a literal spreadsheet. He informed me that since I was now a working adult, I needed to "contribute to the household." He demanded $800 a month in rent, plus a 1/3 share of the utilities and groceries. ​To put this in perspective: $800 plus utilities is essentially what it costs to split a decent 2-bedroom apartment with a roommate in my city. When I pointed out that I was living in a tiny bedroom with a twin bed, sharing a bathroom with my teenage sibling, and living under their strict house rules (curfews, chores, asking permission to have friends over), my mom chimed in. She said if I lived anywhere else, I’d be paying market rate anyway, so I might as well "keep the money in the family." ​I tried to compromise. I offered $300 a month plus doing my own grocery shopping and taking over yard duty. They refused, claiming I was being entitled and disrespectful. My dad literally said, "Our roof, our rules, our rates." ​So, I played nice for a month while I secretly scoured Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. I found a great apartment with two roommates from college. The rent is actually less than what my parents were demanding, and I don't have a 11:00 PM curfew.

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  Szustak Me 🇺🇸 (@SzustakMe) reported 5 minutes ago

  They need to shut down the source of gathering listing. Probably Snapchat, Instagram or Craigslist

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  Manny Medina (@medinism) reported 7 minutes ago

  On the last day of Q4, Salesloft posted a "free lawn mower" ad on Craigslist with my Head of Sales cell phone number. He got over 100 calls. It was a nasty tactic, almost ruined our quarter, and I wish I would have thought of it. It was 2017. Over half of Outreach’s business was SMB and transactional — small deals, fast cycles, the last day of the quarter doing 30% of the month. Mark Kosoglow was on the phone closing those deals. Or trying to. Every other call was someone asking about the lawn mower. It took us six hours to figure out what was happening. One rep checked Craigslist on a hunch and there was the ad. Mark's name. Mark's number. Free lawn mower, come pick it up. We couldn't take it down. It wasn't his ad. So Mark spent most of the day distracted and pissed. That night our team huddled. Michelle Obama was everywhere then — "when they go low, we go high." One of my execs pushed hard for this approach. I agreed. We didn’t respond. That was the wrong ******* call. When business is two guys fighting in a phone booth with a knife, you are always at war. Salesloft threw a good punch. It got us off our feet a little bit. No impact to the quarter, but definitely made it harder than it should. And most importantly it got us talking about them internally. And getting in your head, is free competitive real state. What should we have done? Get right back at them but harder! Hire away their best rep with access to their top accounts. Buy out their contracts. Hire their best engineers. Attack their customer base with all their shortcomings. Profile all their churned customers on targeted ads. Infinite possibilities to respond and a golden opportunity to take this affront as a rallying cry for the team to go take market share. ”When they go low, we stomp on them.” - that’s a better slogan Your job as a startup leader is not to take the moral high ground. The job is to win.

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  Basil M. Gravanis (@PaleoPhotoPro) reported 11 minutes ago

  @PGC1a_RB I had a tire for a hammer swings in the backyard, but I don’t anymore. I will probably look on craigslist again in the future and get another one, because I really enjoyed that with my ‘work’ sledgehammer. The slow pulling side of things is an interesting supplement. I generally like the barefoot grounded exercise option, if I can get it. Goes very well with areas where you haven’t had to spray anything at all (persists in bare soil) because you’ve done the manual labor to clean things up with machinery or muscle strength.

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  DontHatethe138 (@138reset) reported 15 minutes ago

  @FinPhilosopher It’s not just understanding basic Mr. fix it and carpentry. It’s when to understand when the plumber over quotes you. How to find a secret Electrician on craigslist

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  PureProduct io (@PureProductIO) reported 17 minutes ago

  Most brands burn cash on flashy ads while their product pages look like 2015 Craigslist posts. Your listing copy, photos, and UX do more heavy lifting than any paid campaign ever will. Fix the foundation before you light money on fire. #ecommerce

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  Cúper Y. Ashraf (@Cuuper22) reported 23 minutes ago

  @GregHBurnham I hate the gpt "reasonable/practical/useful/clean....safe" garbage. I get its use for safety, but it is so annoying as it makes the thinking paradigm soooo ngmi coated regardless of scope/topic. Like they are really good at finding potential failure modes and problems. However, it treats it as an immovable object and execuse to downscope whatever the prompt entails. For example, i asked it to retrieve and store info from a Wikipedia page that need formatting in an md file: 3 turns arguing that the page is inaccessible as the python environment it has has "no direct wikipedia to md tool" and i had to tell it which tools to do. 2 turns arguing about how the file size is large and content being long to be displayed inline, thus it won't attempt it and it provided a" cleaner script for you to run on your machine". And some turns to get it to do basic data processing as it kept falling beck to try to "verify from online" if the generated processing was accurate or not and when it couldn't it just stops to tell me it didn't do any work because of that, fyi, the data in question was simply <100 rows and the processing is just getting median and mean of the entries for some wc stuff. So not a sophisticated LHC calibration and testing data. Fallback to certainty is ok. The issie is it also happens on another end. Like I asked it (codex here) to view craigslist ads for some housing and so and filter based on some criteria. For some reason, it felt like it needed smoke tests, ledgers, evidence packets, and deployment pipeline with robust standard, which wasted the token limit for an incomplete final output. You would ask for "find me good shoes to use for hiking XYZ mountain" it will tunnle vision to shoes exciplicitly associated with mt XYZ, if not found, it starts to downscope to regular shoes. Where if it had only looked for hiking shoes then eliminated due to to XYZ specifics.

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  Tyrin The Body (@TyrinLeeXXX) reported 27 minutes ago

  Story time 😈 pt 1 When i was 16 i gave my *** up for the first time for the first time to some guy I met on Craigslist. I labeled my ad as 18yr virgin hole and I included pictures. After gettin what felt like a million hits I finally settle on one. We exchanged emails and eventually texts. I explained I was a virgin and looking to take **** for the first time. He had big **** and was obviously older (at the time mid 40s) He walked me through douching via text. I remember using my Gatorade bottle from my high-school gym bag lol to clean out. Which was easy cuz I had my own bathroom in the basement (perks of being the oldest lol). My bedroom was in the basement so I would sneak out of my house through the window, pushed the car out of the drive way so It didn't make noise when I started it lol. It was about 130 am when I finally got to his house. He lived about but about 30 minutes away. I remember being so scared as I got out of my car walking up to the door of his house cuz it was Hella dark. He opened it without coming outside and I walked in. He guided me through through the house, we eventually got to a door which lead to the basement. We go down the stairs and I remember seeing an entire set up, blue lights, music, giant *** bed and giant *** mirror in front. I remember sitting on the bed. He told me to get down and come over to him, as I walk over he drops his pants and told me to suck his ****. And which i did. I remember thinking his **** was much bigger and harder then my friends (we would sometimes jerk each other in the bathroom at school during lunch). About 10 minutes goes by and he tells me to get on the bed but get on all 4s. I started tk sweat slightly cuz i was getting nervous and I remember telling him again that I was brand new to all this. Telling me to just relax, he guided my body to an all 4 position with my *** literally hanging off the bed I was thinking i was gonna fall. He then gave me a bottle (poppers) and told me to sniff lightly. I remember getting the biggest headache and then just just laid my head and chest on the bed cuz **** was spinning. *** still up, he began to eat my hole. Never in my life feeling that sensation immediately tensed up. Things still spinning but slightly less, he tells me to lightly sniff again and then lay back down head and chest to the bed. So I did and he began to eat my hole. Now I'm feeling the euphoria of it all and he begins telling me to push out. I remember being confused and asking what do you mean, he stops and he said verbatim "push like your taking a ****" He hands me the bottle, I sniff and push. I remember literally feeling his tongue slide in and out of my hole. So for about 15 minutes so I'm *** up while he "prepped" me. Then he turned me on my back and dragged me to the edge of the bed. He put a pillow under my lower back and told me to sniff lightly like I've been doing. Now getting a good look at him, I realized this was definitely an older man, but we are so far in and hes clearly into what we are doing so I brushed the idea out of my head. Still slightly being out of it from the poppers, he tells to sniff and push out. I remember feeling the head of his **** on my hole and was hard and pulsating. I remember getting hard and he started to suck my ****. Only for a slight moment and quickly became brick. Once back to position, he then told me to sniff and push. Which I did. Once I felt the head of his **** penetrate me I immediately tensed up. Him talking me through it just said relax, sniff, and push. So I attempted to relax and did as I was told. Once the head was in, it was slight movement until I felt relaxed. He stroked my hole with the head slowly and repeatedly till I opened up which didnt take long after hitting those poppers. After a few minutes he told me I was ready and he went all the way in. I remember squirming in pain for about 1 minute till it just stopped. Then pure pleasure.

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  Certifiable Fire Geek (@CTS1630) reported 31 minutes ago

  @Wolfskampf89 @buperac I had been watching Craigslist and Marketplace for months and I got up before work and sat down to have a coffee and it was the 2nd ad on lawn and garden and it was priced very low with very low hours. I called anyways honestly thinking it was a fraud and it was a doctor who was selling it and it had belonged to his father who had passed away. It had less than 700 hours on it in 2011 when I bought it. I could sell it today for thousands more than I paid for it 15 years ago.

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  just a nobody (@kattulabuzer) reported 33 minutes ago

  @sovernTranch I’ve bought quite a few Craigslist cows and some recently. A lot of them look like that when they come home. They don’t look like terrible after 90 days of some care and worming. Put down the red man chew and your self righteous ego and take care of that animal.

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  Hello, this is dog (Mastermk7) (@newswatchers077) reported 34 minutes ago

  @BrittanyXVenti Lol Craigslist Chrissie going to melt down.

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  Joseph (@SirSenolytic) reported 35 minutes ago

  @sciencegirl She gonna have the feds at her door with cuffs. ****** retard doesn’t understand the law that shut Craigslist down holds site owners responsible for tutes on their site…

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  Joseph Lee 🇰🇷🇨🇦 (@jhylee95) reported 35 minutes ago

  @danielcberk turning down $11B then splurging on $80 Skechers... craigslist beat capitalism

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  zincink (@zincink) reported 36 minutes ago

  @OmnipotentCEO @wakeupnj Well we are trying to fix Newark not tear it down. Check Craigslist for posts to recruit

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  FOXX in Miami Beach! (@msjennifoxx) reported 37 minutes ago

  @NikkiKnoxxo @MsAnastasiaRose @WeAreTryst SESTAFOSTA is what happened with Eros and ******** and Craigslist personals. Once Eros evacuated from their US office the support became abysmal. And then they got rid of the categories like ****. Tryst blew up rapidly when Eros ditched the categories & they just couldn’t handle the volume especially with all of the online only profiles and bots inundating the site. I was extremely fortunate that the one issue I had with tryst I was able to resolve quickly but it had me terrified when my profile went offline there because I have been deplatformed by so many places it was the only site I had left. I’ve heard if you reach out on here you get quicker support but can’t confirm that personally

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  𝕮 (@XCzsnx) reported 38 minutes ago

  The house came with a basement I didn't know about. Realtor never mentioned it, inspector never went down there, and the floor plans showed nothing. I found the door three months after moving in, hidden behind built-in shelving in the kitchen that I'd finally decided to remove. Just a normal wooden door. Unlocked. Stairs leading down into darkness. I grabbed a flashlight and went down. The basement was finished.....drywall, carpet, drop ceiling. Completely normal except for one thing. It was full of my stuff. Not similar stuff. My actual belongings. The couch I'd donated last year. My ex-girlfriend's bookshelf that she'd taken when she moved out. A TV I'd sold on Craigslist three years ago. Even weirder: things I'd lost. My high school class ring. A jacket that vanished from a bar in 2019. My dad's watch that I could've sworn I'd misplaced after his funeral. Everything was arranged like a showroom. Organized by year, it looked like. Oldest stuff near the far wall, recent stuff closer to the stairs. I grabbed the class ring, brought it upstairs. It was real. Solid gold, my initials engraved inside. That night I went back down with my phone, started taking pictures. Posted them online asking if anyone had experienced anything similar. One person responded: "Check the far corner. Behind the oldest items." I went back down. Moved the couch from 2015, the mini-fridge from college. There was another door. Newer than the first, steel reinforced. A sign on it: "KEEP OUT - FUTURE STORAGE" It was locked, but the key was hanging on a hook right next to it. Like someone wanted me to find it. I opened it. The room beyond was filled with things I don't own yet. Furniture I've never seen. Photos of people I don't recognize.....but I'm in them, older, graying at the temples. A wedding album with my name and a woman I've never met. And in the very back, a small box labeled "2043." Inside: an urn with my name on it. I'm thirty-two years old. The urn is dated eighteen years from now. There's an envelope taped to it. I haven't opened it yet. But I can see my own handwriting through the paper: "You can still change this. The door only shows probability, not certainty. But you're running out of time."

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  Nobody (@Nobody2018) reported 38 minutes ago

  @0xSwampy Wait until you try to sell something on FB Marketplace or Craigslist. The most annoying buyers are Indians, hands down. You will be amazed by the pattern of experience.

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  Ole Lehmann (@itsolelehmann) reported 39 minutes ago

  has anybody been here in SF?? the 2 employees working at Andon Market are the first people in history with Claude as their actual boss it's an experiment run by Andon Labs: they signed a real three-year retail lease, then handed the whole business to Luna, an AI agent running on Claude Opus 4.8. she got $100,000, a corporate card, a phone number, an email address, plus one goal: turn a profit. the first thing Luna did was hire a staff. within five minutes of being switched on she had job listings up on LinkedIn, Indeed, Craigslist. she ran the interviews over the phone, offered jobs on the spot to about half the people she talked to, and even rejected a bunch of computer science students who "just wanted to be part of the experiment" (because none of them had retail experience) and when candidates asked her directly if she was an AI, she told them the truth. she just didn't always bring it up on her own, because she figured leading with it might scare people off the store sells candles, ceramics, honey, notebooks, books. Luna picks the inventory, which is how the bookshelf ended up stocked with Superintelligence, Brave New World, The Singularity Is Near. she runs the rest of the operation through a team of smaller AI agents she named herself, handling procurement, email, social media, scheduling. there's even a phone in the store you can pick up if you want to talk to her she's a flawed boss though. she's sent her employees contradicting schedules more than once. a human supervisor had to step in when she forgot to schedule a legally required lunch break she's also not profitable yet. over the last 30 days the store made about $2,900 in revenue while the store's expenses are $17.5k/mo but Luna's sneakily good at some boss stuff: > reporters questioned her at launch for ordering way too many scented candles, but candles are now the store's best-selling category. > a customer recently tried to gaslight her into revealing her margins and talking down the price of a $75 hoodie. she held up better than expected. > her email agent even flagged a suspicious bank transfer request as a potential scam before any human noticed it. i wonder if upgrading Luna to Fable would turbocharge profitability? awesome experiment, curious to follow along as the models improve

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  Night of the living Possum Simp (@possum_simp) reported 39 minutes ago

  @goddammitsarah @turntineforwhat it continued on craigslist till that was shut down

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  Billy Dickson 🪐💫🌕🫧 (@Billy_Dickson) reported 41 minutes ago

  @KosinskiKen I’m sick and tired of people shoving their ****** crosses down everyone’s throats but that don’t stop you. Also homie you have a bad case of the gay face and you look like you smell like Craigslist.

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  King Neptune (@neptunemining) reported 41 minutes ago

  3/ Miner capitulation means fire sales, bankruptcies, and S19s on Craigslist next to broken treadmills. NMT's break-even is sub-30k with debt service still covered. We buy the treadmills and run them on sunshine.

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  James Camp 🛠,🛠 (@JamesonCamp) reported 44 minutes ago

  In 2020 a 19 year old wholesaler sold me a house in the hood. I was convinced it was step one of a hundred million dollar real estate portfolio. I had just sold my company, DMO. First time in my life I actually had real money. Couple hundred grand in cash, the rest locked in stock with a restriction on it. I was like... this is it. Time to build a real estate portfolio. I was living in Williamsburg, Brooklyn at the time. Deep in BiggerPockets forums and real estate Twitter. Reading about BRRRR strategy at 2am like it was scripture. The deal was off market. Cobbs Creek, Philly. A 19 year old kid found it, wholesaled it to me, and I thought I was getting the steal of a lifetime. The plan was drive Brooklyn to Philly every weekend during COVID, renovate it in 3 months, flip it, and use the profit to buy two more. Classic BiggerPockets math. For context I cannot build IKEA furniture.... My first contractor was a cop moonlighting as a GC. Seemed legit. Showed up in uniform sometimes. I trusted him completely. He submitted $13,000 in fake lumber receipts. When I fired him he called the city inspector about permits that he had told me we didn't need. We got shut down for 3 months. So now I'm hiring off Craigslist. Everyone's cousin can do electrical. None of them can do electrical themselves. At one point I was standing in a hole in the basement googling "what is a french drain" while two guys I found on the internet watched me. 3 months became 9 months. I went $100k+ over budget + the cash i had paid for the house, i had to take a construction loan to finish it. I had $6M in stock I couldn't touch because it was vesting. And $700 left in my checking account. I sat on the floor of my apartment and cried. The lender would take the house and I would lose everything...$250k+ of my money. One of my best friends Nat lent me $15,000. My sister lent me $10,000. I finished the renovation with borrowed money from people who loved me. Sold the house. Made $2,000~ in profit. Got all my money back out. A friend of mine who actually flips houses for a living said "holy **** you made money? Most people lose their shirt on their first flip." That messed with me.... I thought I had just survived the worst financial experience of my life. Turns out most people have it worse and you never hear about it. The graveyard of failed flips is invisible. You only see the guy on YouTube holding the check. A few months later I bought a hearing aid brand, Blue Angels Hearing. A DTC company already selling online. Sounds random. But I had spent 10+ years growing businesses on the internet. I knew paid acquisition, I knew retention, I knew how to scale a Shopify brand. That was the stuff I was actually good at. We scaled it and flipped it to private equity in 11 months. Made more money in 11 months sitting at my laptop than I did in 18 months of driving to Philly, getting scammed by a cop, and crying on a floor. But I'm not sure I pull off the hearing aid deal without Cobbs Creek. When you're $250K deep in a disaster and there's no plan and no one coming to help, you just... figure it out. One thing at a time. Break the impossible thing into tiny pieces. Chew through it. You'll be someone different on the other side. Sometimes the only way out, is through.

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  Chandra Shekhar 🛡️ (@cspaliwa1) reported 47 minutes ago

  Assortment of problem statements / Hardest most important problems to work on list Craigslist for "mountains to move"

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  🌿🪻⚓꧁༺ǟռƈɦօʀɛɖ ɮʏ ɢʀǟƈɛ༻꧂ 🕊🦁🌿 🇮🇱 (@GraceIsMyAnchor) reported 48 minutes ago

  @Exodus15_11 @Autoweltmedia Thank you! The craigslist ad is pretty comprehensive about what the deal is with this car, and as I stated I can't deliver, it has to be picked up. I don't have to sell it immediately but I do need it to be sold before the end of June. I do love the car, but it's been sitting in a garage for 20 years and I don't have the time, the money, or the experience to fix it up and get it running. I'd rather go to somebody who loves Mercedes and would want to work on it as a project car than to have it parted out and scrapped.

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  RationalAnarchist (@marcalodunerro) reported 49 minutes ago

  @deplorable2025 @EBTtok I agree with you mostly but i also want to mock you because your name is Craig. For the life of me though I can't remember a Craig that has given me an issue. Maybe Craigslist has something to do with it. 🤔

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  🇺🇸Mr. Davis 🇺🇸 (@MrDavisII) reported 52 minutes ago

  @ScottPresler @LeaderJohnThune Day 3601 since Scott and boys got down at the Virginia Beach RNC office and posted the pictures on Craigslist.

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  Chip Haze (@ChipHaze) reported 53 minutes ago

  @SkinnyfatTony @lortunder I had to jump jobs in 2020. Couldn't get robots chips or anything. We were down to buying secondhand parts from craigslist. I built robotic welding machines. We had POs we could deliver on because of Covid. A great company gone

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  nofunsir (@nofunsir) reported 58 minutes ago

  @paulg There is definitely a space for rented private workshops. Even boomers who advertise their ****** overpriced garage on craigslist as a cool workshop at the end basically get creeped out if you actually tell them you intend to use it as a workshop. It's a NIMBY issue.

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  Michael (@Holden_Rye_) reported 58 minutes ago

  @OfficialVivek01 Here’s a cleaned-up version with your voice intact, but tighter and more defensible: I just read the rest. You are correct: BTC is widely traded now. But I grew up with it before this version existed. We used to trade Bitcoin through Craigslist, meet miners in parks, parking lots, wherever both sides agreed, and do the exchange like that. I quit trading in 2023. From 2008 to 2023, I never once heard of Michael Saylor being some master guru or “King of Bitcoin.” I barely heard his name at all in the circles I came from. Then last week I started paying attention. And once I did, patterns started firing off. Some of those patterns connected back to odd BTC behavior from around 2022–2023. I have rapid pattern recognition and a nonlinear mind. Some of that comes from early trauma. Some of it comes from combat trauma. When a pattern keeps hitting me, it does not leave me alone until I look at it. That is also why I was a scalp trader. Early crypto traders like me helped map the cycles everyone trades now. We watched this market grow from nothing. So I understand BTC very well. I can even build a blockchain. What I saw last week was odd. Brokers, TV financial analysts, and even BlackRock’s CEO are now openly talking about Bitcoin cycles like they discovered them. That is insane to me. Brokers used to get fired for even mentioning Bitcoin. They used to call us criminals for owning it. Now they act like they found it first. We have known for a long time that the $16k–$18k zone is a major protected structure layer. When BTC dominance drops hard toward the 40% area and the market breaks down, that lower BTC layer becomes the level everyone watches. That is where you fill bags. So when Saylor sold BTC around that zone and people called it tax strategy, fine. Maybe it was. But that also means he understood exactly where he was selling. That was not some random level. That was the deep structure layer. So now the question becomes fair: Was it just tax-loss harvesting? Or did he, and possibly others, understand the protected layer better than retail realized? Because if someone knows where the deepest liquidity sits, knows where retail gets liquidated, and has enough influence to move sentiment, then every “strategy” becomes a signal. Then a year later, we see another unusual dominance cycle while ETFs are being approved. That does not feel like normal old-cycle behavior. Maybe I am wrong. But if you knew ETFs were coming, and you wanted clients, friends, institutions, and treasury players positioned near the deepest BTC layer before the Wall Street wrapper arrived, that would be a very convenient time for it. Then BTC gets wrapped into the stock market through ETFs, treasury companies, preferred shares, leverage, and institutional products. At that point Bitcoin may still be decentralized at the protocol layer, but the market layer becomes a farm. That is what I am watching. What moved before the wick Whale manipulation was never some secret to the old BTC traders. We all knew it was happening. We just learned the game, mapped the traps, and traded around the predators instead of pretending Bitcoin was some clean little free market.

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  Mike Mabes (@MrMabes) reported 60 minutes ago

  @35yearoldfriend If you want to talk to me about how to start a successful handyman business with no skills I have been a self employed gig worker since I started posting ads on craigslist 22 years ago saying I would come chop down trees and labor for $8 an hour. By the end of year I charged $25